In a recent episode of “Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives,” Guy Fieri set out to find the best pastrami on the West Coast, and his journey led him to The Refuge in San Carlos, California. Located between San Francisco and San Jose, The Refuge is celebrated for its authentic, old-school pastrami, reminiscent of the famed East Coast delis like Katz’s in Manhattan.
The Refuge: Where Pastrami Reigns Supreme
Guy Fieri opens the episode with a declaration of his love for pastrami, particularly the old-school, real-deal kind you’d find at iconic places like Katz’s Deli. He then introduces viewers to The Refuge, a deli that has successfully brought that East Coast flavor to the West Coast. The Refuge is owned by Matt Levin, who has been perfecting his pastrami recipe since he was 16 years old.

The Pastrami Process
The episode features Chef Michael Royal, who, according to Guy, looks like a “culinary assassin.” Chef Michael guides Guy through the meticulous process of preparing their signature pastrami sandwich, the “Toasted Slaw 19.”
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“You can’t beat it,” Guy says as he marvels at the intricate process.
The pastrami preparation starts with a one-week brining process. It’s then coated with a mixture of coriander and black pepper before being smoked with Hickory wood. After smoking, the pastrami is steamed for four hours to achieve its tender, melt-in-your-mouth texture.

The Lacquer
One unique aspect of The Refuge’s pastrami is their special “lacquer” made from the pastrami drippings. Chef Michael collects the drippings and combines them with brown sugar, black pepper, and coriander. This mixture is then reduced by half to create a rich, flavorful lacquer.
“This is a different level of ridiculous,” Guy comments as Chef Michael dips the trimmed pastrami sections into the lacquer.
Assembling the Sandwich
The next step involves toasting rye bread on a flat top, adding a generous layer of Russian dressing, coleslaw, and Swiss cheese. Finally, the lacquered pastrami is piled high on the sandwich.
“You can be a hardcore New Yorker, nothing’s gonna prepare you for that,” Guy exclaims after taking his first bite. “It’s that good.”
The sandwich is a harmonious blend of flavors and textures, with the tender pastrami being the undeniable star. Guy notes that the pastrami “literally just falls apart in your mouth,” making it an irresistible treat.

The Refuge Experience
The Refuge is more than just a deli; it’s a place where passion and tradition come together to create extraordinary food. Owner Matt Levin’s dedication to perfecting his pastrami recipe shines through in every bite. Customers rave about the quality and flavor, often dreaming of the pastrami long after their visit.
One enthusiastic customer even joked that they would “have a wedding cake made out of pastrami” if they could, highlighting the deep affection patrons have for this deli’s offerings.
